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[Bachus]

Changing ( or adding ) a new brand name might have complete other ( marketing ) reasons than we may think or guess.

In my small knowledge Yamaha's Synth Department is a different division in their organistation, am I right or wrong ? I really do not know.

Maybe both divisions ( Synths & Arrangers ) are sharing technical information but probably no Sales, Marketing and Distribution decisions.
May I say those two instrument groups have different customers and maybe different distribution channels ?
Sorry, again ... I really do not know.   

Our dealers, Frank & Frank, could, if they are allowed to speak, tell us if Yamaha's Synth and Arranger divisions are working indepently, separately or togehter.

BTW I am almost sure Peter Baartmans cannot give you the answer.
Due to the NDA he is not allowed to talk about any, what they call, trade secrets.
He will simply tell you he does not know.

IMHO.

Personally, I absolutely support your update wish. Plse do not misunderstand me.

I deeply regret I have to call it " wishful thinking " until Yamaha will officially announce Genos updates might be expected in the near future. 
And ... if Yamaha should decide to update will these update be free of charge like Korg's ?

The answer is blowing in the wind.


Jeff

There is one way to make Yamaha indertand that they can keep the userbase happy with free frature and content updates...  and thats trough explicitly asking about it on these forums, till they understand its something the customer base would really appreciate

[Will49]

One of the reasons that manufacturers usually do not use tilt screen displays for touch screens is that the screen tends to move when you press to select an item near the top of the screen. And, the same players that destroy button switches will likely be pressing the touch screens too hard as well.

Hello Gary, This got me wondering if anyone (especially those of the more 'heavy-handed' sort of player) have reported any problems with the Korg Pa4X - which also has a tilt/touch screen?

Regards,
Will49

[rimek72]

Let me reffer to possible reason for changing the name from TYROS to GENOS.
It was discussed in that threat



my personal votes for firmware update is of course free of charge, but let see on the problem from different angle and compare it to the SW company.
The SW delivery is like this

• free of charge - for specific period of support, (for example when You will bay a latest version that is supported for specific time), or
• each upgrade to the newest versions has a special discount price, (upgrade from very old version costs more)

If we will consider Genos as solid HW platform than adding of new features, improve performance could be done via SW updates. It requires changing of marketing philosophy and moving Yamaha arrangers from almost pure HW delivery model (only critical firmware corrections released), into more SW application model. In this model HW platform is not limitation anymore. Yamaha's R&D creativity (or even external to Yamaha developers if there will be open SW platform) is the limit in that model.
It is my dream, but Genos could be not only better HW platform and improvement sounds, it could be Yamaha attempt to move into SW oriented application world. Than it would be a real game changer 😊
In this is dream, user has a lot of freedom in customization by loading needed plugins into great HW platform. This model could be very attractive to producers and Young people as all concerns for specific content could be fixed quickly by using needed plugin (I believe they would be not free of charge).
The name change, Tyros to GENOS would be needed for a changing the game rules, which by the way could open a wide a new market for instrument that is capable to achieve it
I know my way of thinking would be very naive or fantasy knowing Yamaha, no doubts, but as person working with SW for more than 20 years, I know it is possible.

I'm ready for that model and even expects something like described above if we are talking about real game changer.

[agoldstraw]

I think the reason for the name change is a great deal simpler – brands become 'old' and need revisiting from time to time to keep interest high among potential purchasers. You saw this with Motif – by last year, we had had the original Motif, Motif ES, Motif XS and finally Motif XF. There comes a time in the naming patterns when the public goes: 'Yeah, yeah, Motif yada yada yada...' So there's a radical redesign of control panel and interface, and in comes Montage. The same process is happening now with Genos. It also gives Yamaha a chance to connect with a younger audience who already think they know what a Tyros is and have written it off in their head as 'uncool, cheesy etc'. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clavinova name might be next for the 'treatment' – but don't quote me on that!

[Jeff Hollande]

For me it is not so clear yet why Yamaha have changed the brand name.

Like other members were saying here I agree the present Genos is a nice upgraded Tyros5 and could easily be called TYROS6.

It is hard to believe for me the Genos will come with free updates in the future.

In my humble opinion we may expect successors like Genos2, 3, 4 etc. and call them :

" Upgrades ", just like before.

Jeff

[EileenL]

Hi Jeff if you have read the specs Genos is totally new and can't really be compared with a Tyros. It is GENOS.
  Not an upgrade in any way.

[Spirit of the old South]

Hi Jeff if you have read the specs Genos is totally new and can't really be compared with a Tyros. It is GENOS.
  Not an upgrade in any way.

Eileen, i dont think just reading the specs makes this all so clear.
But if you look at the grand new interface with touchscreen and knobs
All the new software
Many of the disappeared buttons

And add to that yamaha's intentions to make this a tool for creativity and song writing
Moving even more towards the workstation side

Then its clear why there is a new name.
The instrument has changed more then ever before
And whats better then a new name to make this statement

The same happened when they moved from the workstation Motif
To the performance synth Montage

Now they are moving from the arranger Tyros 5
To the music workstation Genos

everyone just needs to try and see what Yamaha is trying to achieve.

[Jeff Hollande]

Some people will disagree others will agree.
Everybody has his own opinion, I guess.


Jeff

[pjd]

It is GENOS.  Not an upgrade in any way.

Most folks cite the new user interface, sounds and effects. That's what they hear and see.

From a hardware guy's perspective, the digital hardware is definitely all new including the synthesis and DSP effects engines. Genos is going to be the TOTL arranger workstation platform for many years to come.

I agree with Eileen. A new name is justified based on substance, not just marketing fluff.

All the best -- pj

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Paul,

If you say so ... who am I to doubt your words ? 😉

That means the Genos should be a real workstation that apparently will make all people happy who are looking for deep editing etc.

I have no further questions and will patiently wait for all comments of the endusers as soon as the new Genos is in the hands of its new owners.

Take care, Jeff

[soryt]

Do the drawbars move when you touch the screen like on the Pa4x ore only with the sliders ?
And can you make some adjustments on the screen ore only with the buttons ??
If so, it isnt a "full touch" display interface ?

Soryt 

[travlin-easy]

Will, I only know a few individuals with a PA4X and it is likely too new at this point to have those kind of problems, which I believe would be due to prolonged extreme use.

Soryt, from the way it appears, the drawbar sliders are the mechanical sliders on the left side of the display, but they also appear on the display itself, but I do not believe it is functional on the touch screen. Therefore, I would consider this as a combination type of thing. Don't know for sure, though, until I get my hands on one.

All the best,

Gary

[Will49]

Will, I only know a few individuals with a PA4X and it is likely too new at this point to have those kind of problems, which I believe would be due to prolonged extreme use.

Thanks for that Gary.

Will49

[stephenm52]

Hello Gary, This got me wondering if anyone (especially those of the more 'heavy-handed' sort of player) have reported any problems with the Korg Pa4X - which also has a tilt/touch screen?

Regards,
Will49

I have a Pa4x since March 2016, I play it daily either in the studio or on gigs I have not had any issues with the adjustable touch screen.

[StuartR]

Will, I only know a few individuals with a PA4X and it is likely too new at this point to have those kind of problems, which I believe would be due to prolonged extreme use.

Soryt, from the way it appears, the drawbar sliders are the mechanical sliders on the left side of the display, but they also appear on the display itself, but I do not believe it is functional on the touch screen. Therefore, I would consider this as a combination type of thing. Don't know for sure, though, until I get my hands on one.

All the best,

Gary

They are adjustable on the screen as well. I saw it on one of the demo videos.

[travlin-easy]

Great news, Stuart. I was pretty sure that this could be done, but I've been doing too much sailing lately to sit down and go through the manual page by page. And, as most people know, it's much easier to sit down with the manual and have the keyboard right in front of you. Unfortunately, that will not likely happen unless the boat is sold sometime before Christmas, which is unlikely. If the boat is not sold, I guess I will have to spend more time sailing and drinking Margarettas.

All the best,

Gary

[Audrey Turner]

A few years ago I was playing a keyboard with much the same type of screen the Genos appears to have and I found it horrendous because it didn't move at all.  Some of my venues back then were out in the open or in conservatories which often made it difficult to read the screen in sunshine and not helped by having to take my eyes off the sheet music to  touch the screen, often causing mistakes.  Needless to say, I only had it 3 weeks and changed it for a Technics keyboard - far superior to many other makes - even today in my opinion.  However, I hope to go to a local Dealer's Genos demonstration in the very near future and until I've actually seen and played it I am not in a position to make any worthwhile comments.  I'll keep you posted on this one.

Audrey Turner

[EileenL]

Hi Audrey,
  If you play from registrations you can still change these via foot switch so don't have to touch screen that much if you don't want to.

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Its not the physical buttons, its the virtuall buttons on the lower bar... and the fact that the screen seems to be sunken several centimeters deep

You are right, touching the right spot and getting a result in the lowest row is a problem especially now when its dry inside due to the cold outside. I keep a damp face cleaning pad (my wife uses those) next to the screen and touch the pad before going to the screen.  That has solved the problem. But as pointed out here,  in a performance contrary to programming one does not use the lowest row very often.

[StuartR]

You are right, touching the right spot and getting a result in the lowest row is a problem especially now when its dry inside due to the cold outside. I keep a damp face cleaning pad (my wife uses those) next to the screen and touch the pad before going to the screen.  That has solved the problem. But as pointed out here,  in a performance contrary to programming one does not use the lowest row very often.

I haven't had that problem at all with inside humidity levels in the 20-30% range. If your humidity is lower, getting a touch screen response is probably the least of your worries.😲