why I will NOT buy a Korg (or a non-Yamaha) keyboard

[guitpic1]

Korg Songbook and Yamaha registrations each have their own advantages.  I think Playlist has evened the field somewhat.

[Al Ram]

With Yamaha registrations you have up to 10 buttons and can recall the regs very easily just by pressing one button.  I do not have a clear idea on how you recall the same in Korg.  I have looked at Korg pictures and do not see any buttons that resemble registrations or . . . .

can you explain . . . 

thanks in advance.   

[DonM]

With Yamaha registrations you have up to 10 buttons and can recall the regs very easily just by pressing one button.  I do not have a clear idea on how you recall the same in Korg.  I have looked at Korg pictures and do not see any buttons that resemble registrations or . . . .

can you explain . . . 

thanks in advance.   

You can do it using Setlist.  Just touch a song on the screen and it loads everything instantly, just like a Registration.  Unlimited Setlists...I'm not in front of it but I think 10 or 12 songs per page. 
You first save all your song setups, styles, MP3s, midi, etc. in Songbook.  Then with one touch save any of them to a Setlist. 

[Al Ram]

Don

thanks a lot.  that's where i am confused a bit.   You said selecting a song from the screen will load a song and everything is ready to go, just like a registration.   But for me in the Yamaha keyboard a song is made up of up to 10 registrations.  So, i  select the song from the screen and then select one by one each of the registration buttons that make up that song.  Each button allows me to play the same song but with variations, such as tempo, key, mic settings, etc.

So, if i understand the Korg setup, you can have a song in the setlist but can you then have different subsets of the setlist for that specific song . . . . ?  in other words, easily change and have variations of the same setlist/song . . . . ?

thanks a lot and have a great night.

[DonM]

I see.  I think you would need to rely on Songbook for that.  You could make multiple entries, each with the changes you like.  Then one touch, just like Registrations.  Not exactly the same though!

[Al Ram]

Don
thanks a lot for your prompt reply.  I think i got the idea.    You would have the same song in Songbook but the song will have variations . . . . example   Strangers in the night1, Strangers in the night2 and so on . . . . and then you will select each of the variations as desired.

Not bad.

Have a great day.   

[guitpic1]

If I may....I use both registrations and Songbook

For me, biggest difference Songbook/Registrations.

With songbook, any changes I make to a song that is already created(i.e. style/voice etc.)are saved in the master file Songbook.  So any sub list like setlist have those changes to any song I edit. 

With registrations, I make sure I create a master file/registration or playlist, and make those changes in the master file/registration.  Then, I need to copy that master registration to any other list I have that contains the song.  Otherwise, I might have a song that varies(style/voice) from the one in my master list

Registrations require an extra step or two to accomplish what Songbook can do in one step...when it comes to editing a song that is already created..styles/voice..multipad etc.

One thing I like about registrations is that I can create a mini setlist of songs all in one bank of ten registrations.

Suppose I just added to the confusion?  😊

[Al Ram]

GuitPic
It looks like we do Yamaha registrations a bit different. 

I set up each song with a bank of up to 10 registrations (up to 10 registration buttons).    For me, the name of the registration is the name of the song.   Each song has a different bank of 1 to 10 registrations/buttons.    Each button is the same song but with variations such as different voice, tempo, key, etc.

For me, each song is different and each song has its own set of up to 10 registration buttons.

So, if i need to change a registration for a specific song, i just change the required registration(s) for that particular song and do not worry about any other song.

I only have one big list of songs and that is the list on the keyboard.  So, when i need a particular song, i just call the registration from the keyboard list.  Actually, i use the iPad and SongBook+ app to call the keyboard registration associated with that particular song.    If i need more than one list, my lists are in the iPad/SongBook+  and only one big list in the keyboard.

I do not have a Korg, that makes it a bit more difficult for me to imagine how the same can be done, but i am sure it can be done and it looks like Korg is also a great keyboard.

thanks

[Robert van Weersch]

I use it the same way as Al Ram. That also make working, with software like Songbook+, a lot easier. Especially when using registration sequences triggered by a pedal.

[guitpic1]

By way of explanation.

I also make one bank of registrations a song.  I also have a master list of songs/registrations.

But let's say I decide to make a playlist for just one gig.  I would create that playlist, then copy the songs from the master list to the playlist.  That works until I decide to edit a song.  If I edit that song in the playlist(or vice versa), I need to make sure I copy that edited song to my master list or I will have two versions of that song.  This most often happens when I find a style I like better and change it.

On the PA4X, the Songbook and setlist(similar to playlist) are linked.  So it doesn't matter what changes I make, or whether I make them in Songbook or the setlist.  The master-edited song in Songbook will be updated as they are linked.  I don5 have to remember to copy my edited song to the master list.

Songbook is a feature that gigging musicians love.  I found it very useful...

I'm not gigging now, but probably will do so soon again.  I will miss Songbook but features in Genos outweigh that loss.

[Robert van Weersch]

That makes sense, I essentually do the same: I create and control the playlists on the iPad, which then sends an ID to the Tyros when a song gets selected. On the Tyros, I've only got one bank per song, which gets reused in several playlists on the iPad. I don't know the new features on the Genos, but compared to the Tyros, the PA4X's SongBook feature seems to be more suited for gigging.

[Al Ram]

Robert
The combination of Genos and SongBook+ has new and improved features.

For example, one is that you no longer have to create midi files or ID's  to associate SongBook+ to Genos registrations.    The recall of registrations is extremely easy and it works both ways.   Recall from iPad/SongBook+ brings up the associated Genos registration. Recall from Genos, brings up the associated PDF in SongBook+.  Also, you do not need to rename your Genos registrations to accomodate the SongBook+ id.

Because of this improved communication, you can create many playlists on the iPad/Songbook+ and esentially control the gig from the iPad.    Creating Playlists on the iPad is also very easy as you already know. 

thanks