V console

[John T4]

Anybody seen this..  Looks interesting

http://www.tyrosmagic.com/vconsole

https://youtu.be/pa26oAcFzgY

[Matrix]

Comes with a whopping price tag, and for something that you can do on your keyboard for free.
I shall stick to the old fashioned way and do it on my keyboard.
Thanks for posting the link anyway 

[John T4]

I'm not sure you can do the splits lower keyboard on the current system or as many layers as it implies you can do but it does have a hefty price tag but that because obviously includes the tablet that runs on

[Marcus]

Interesting, and new to me, but too expensive for the limited control or limited access to all the Tyros 5 assets. Can be useful for a twin keyboard setup with bass pedals, but for the rare occasion where I setup my backup Tyros into a twinset, I easily setup both keyboards through registration saves, plus have access to all the Tyros assets, functions, and mixing console settings.

Maybe useful for someone who owns a Tyros and another Yamaha board, and uses a twin setup all the time and want that basic organ type control over both keyboards at a time. Since my backup/gigging Tyros is kept identical to my home studio version and usually kept stored or on location, I would not benefit from such an interface/console since I am not in twinset setup 100% of the time. However, nothing really new there that you couldn't do through the Tyros 5 registration saves and OTS settings, and no mention if the user can enter/exit or control Ensemble and Organ World through this controller program. 

Regards, Marcus

[pjd]

The price tag caught my eye immediately. It includes a Windows 10 tablet. Hmmm, that's OK if you want Windows 10 and you can use the tablet for other things. But, I doubt if many iPad users will toss away their iPad and adopt V-Console.

All of these concerns make me question their business model. Maybe it would  be better to sell the app alone and stay away from the hardware biz?

Still, I wish them all the luck in the world!

-- pj

[CalUKGR]

The price tag caught my eye immediately. It includes a Windows 10 tablet. Hmmm, that's OK if you want Windows 10 and you can use the tablet for other things. But, I doubt if many iPad users will toss away their iPad and adopt V-Console.

All of these concerns make me question their business model. Maybe it would  be better to sell the app alone and stay away from the hardware biz?

Still, I wish them all the luck in the world!

-- pj

Precisely. On the face of it, a pretty good app that I'm sure many of us would find quite handy (always nice to see new T5 software), but by tying it into the purchase of a Windows 10 tablet they've effectively priced themselves out of most people's willingness to purchase.

How about just porting and selling the software as an app for iPad owners? I'd be more inclined to consider a purchase if that were the case.

[emasters]

Seems like the value is in the software running on the tablet (assume using MIDI Sy*** to control the Tyros).  Interesting that they choose to bundle a tablet versus just sell the software.  If it was a modest incremental cost for software only, might be of interest.  But the full-on hardware solution is expensive, considering it's an enhancement to the existing Tyros hardware interface.  IMHO... nice job with the software app -- costly bundling with the tablet.

[FredrikC]

Precisely. On the face of it, a pretty good app that I'm sure many of us would find quite handy (always nice to see new T5 software), but by tying it into the purchase of a Windows 10 tablet they've effectively priced themselves out of most people's willingness to purchase.

How about just porting and selling the software as an app for iPad owners? I'd be more inclined to consider a purchase if that were the case.

OR, for those of us who already own Windows 10 tablets (Dell Venue Pro 11 running Windows 10 Professional on a 500 Gig SSD), why would I want to buy a second tablet?  If they sold the software alone, it would probably find many a home.  And that doesn't even require porting it to another platform.

[John T4]

I have just brought one of these. It is not possible to do most of the things it does from the tyros, I believe.
Also you cannot layer 8 voices on the right hand and 8 voices on the left hand, and in fact have each voice assigned its own key range if you want,
So I find it very cleaver, expensive, but cleaver

regards

[jimlaing]

Hi - Interesting - I too wonder how they are doing this - I don't know of any way, with just the Tyros5, to make it do 8 splits, or make it layer 8 sounds under a single note played.

I'll look forward to a review of the unit, and its ease of use, etc.  I'd think one would need lots of polyphony to make it work well if you did a lot of layer with right hand, left hand AND pedal, plus had a "dense" style playing.  I know I run out of voices with my own registrations when I use some styles that are very "dense" or "rich" with sounds, plus my using R1, R2, R3 all with sounds that may use more than one internal 'voice' per sound. 

Looking forward to some reviews of this unit!
-Jim

[EileenL]

Take a Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa26oAcFzgY

[voodoo]

Hi - Interesting - I too wonder how they are doing this - I don't know of any way, with just the Tyros5, to make it do 8 splits, or make it layer 8 sounds under a single note played.

I guess it's just a matter if MIDI routing. There are 16 channels free for song playback, in addition to keyboard and style play, so they can be used from any external source.

[jimlaing]

Hmm, so it must be that a note played is relayed through the app, then back to the Tyros, to make it all work?
-Jim

[voodoo]

Hmm, so it must be that a note played is relayed through the app, then back to the Tyros, to make it all work?
-Jim

Yes, exactly.

[jimlaing]

To John T4:

Any chance you'll write up a review of this unit? 
Ease of use, the kinds of features you found you liked/used the most, etc.?

Thanks!
Jim

[Keynote31]

Shame about the hefty price tag, I would love one but my budget as a retiree would not cover it, but as I already have a laptop and an iPad, and certainly don't want yet another peice of hardware I would serriously consider buying the app if it was realisticly priced.....Hopefully,maybe someone will write a similar program in the future??

[overover]

Seems the website is down now....

Please use one of these links:

---> http://www.tyrosmagic.com

---> http://www.tyrosmagic.com/v-console


Regards,
Chris

[Keynote31]

Sound like my prayers are answered, I shall be looking at that right away.
Many thanks
Eric

[FredrikC]

Anyone shelved the £700 for the software...

For half that money you get Varranger, which can do so much more then adding only 4 more voices...

Varranger with a Tyros 5?  I thought about Varranger with my Kronos before I bought the Tyros, and the additional capabilities are obvious.  What would the additional capabilities be with a Tyros, which already has an arranger built in, etc.

[Chalky]

Hi all,
I purchased a V-Console several weeks ago and I am so pleased I did. I know it is a bit costly but decided to spend a bit of the kids inheritance!! I am from an organ background and so miss having an up-to-date organ with the new and brilliant voices; I bought a Yamaha EL900 a year or two ago to get back to playing an organ and although a very good instrument I was finding it difficult to get back into setting up registrations for my musical tastes. Quite a few years ago I bought the Orla Traditional unit to use with my then Tyros 4 - with some MIDI tweeking I was able to set up some reasonable organ-type settings. However, the V-Console has bought the organ back to me with the full range of the Tyros 5 Voices and the ability for a number of splits on all keyboards. Not only can you set up registrations with eight voices to allocate to Upper, Lower and Pedal but you can combine this with your existing registrations to combine an additional 4 voices. Now I am sure that some of you are able to do this already but, for me I am not that clever -an age thing methinks!!

I am not too sure this would be a good buy for someone using a Tyros without additional keyboard/pedalboard but for those using an additional lower keyboard and pedals it is brilliant.

I have to admit that it hasn't been easy setting it all up and getting it to work as I would like but, John Beasley, who developed it, has been so helpful and is a delight to talk to - customer service at its best - that I am now in control of it, if you know what I mean.

If you have a Tyros 5 with lower keyboard and Bass Pedals then this unit is brilliant.

I would be delighted to hear from other forum members who are using the V-Console to swap ideas etc..

Best regards

Chalky

[Spirit of the old South]

allmost 1000 euro?

and all it gives is an easy access to sounds and features you allready own?
No new sounds
No sounds improvements
Just easy access at 1000 euro's

and it requires a windows 10 tablet with touchscreen on top of that, making it 2000 euro's for adding nothing new at all.

[terryB]

Hey Spirit of the old South that wrong
The £700 Vconsole  includes the tablet.
I saw a demo at a Yamaha weekend do back in October and its a great tool for a multi keyboard set up.

Cheers
Terry

[jimlaing]

To those that purchased it ... a couple of questions:

1) How long does the battery last, to run this app on the Tablet, connected to a Tyros, on batteries only?

2) Can you still use your Tyros Right1, Right2, and Right3 as you did before, or does the app require (for example) that Right1 always be "on" for the app to work?

Thanks!
Jim

[Chalky]

Hi Jim,
In answer to your questions:
1. I don't know as I always have it plugged into mains
2. You don't need any voice select buttons switched on to operate V-Console which gives you 8 voices to play with and these can be allocated to any areas of the keyboards you like. But if you do want an additional 4 voice parts you can indeed add them to the mix as well. Thus you can have 12 voice parts in total - even this is a bit over the top for me but it is possible. V-Console has its own voice map which can be added to if say you have loaded additional voices to you Tyros.

There is a bypass mode if you wish to stick with some of your previous registrations - nothing is lost. John Beesley is putting together some tutorial videos to give advice on integrating the V-Console with your existing registrations.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Chalky

[jimlaing]

I'm curious if anyone else has bought one of these, and about their thoughts?  I'm thinking about it for my Tyros5 ... I don't have pedals but could use it for additional L and R sounds.  And I suppose I could add another small MIDI keyboard, set to the MIDI channel assigned for "Pedals", to have another keyboard attached to the Tyros?

I like the idea (as shown on the video about V-Console) about using Velocity to bring in a sound, almost like having 2nd Touch like on a theatre organ ??

Curious to hear about people's experience with the V-Console ...

Thanks!
Jim

[EileenL]

A couple of people I know had this but also had a lot of trouble with it. One sent his back as even with Johns help did not work out for him. I suppose like most things you have to try it yourself.

[loendersloot]

V console now also available as software only version.

http://www.tyrosmagic.com/v-console

Makes it maybe more interesting.

[jimlaing]

Well, I took the "plunge" and bought a V-Console.  It just arrived today, so I literally have not tried it yet.  I'm sure I'll be doing a lot of experimentation with it, and likely I'll start to create my own V-Console registrations ... I'm not even sure how I'm going to approach it at first ... will have to try the Registrations that come with it ("Showcase") and get some ideas, then learn how to set my own up.

It should be fun - I'm looking forward to being able to easily/quickly add additional layers to sounds, such as the ability to quickly add a "Glockenspiel" or Xylophone or Marimba on top of an existing registration, to add variety on a 2nd or 3rd verse of a song.  Or being able to layer in some light, "8va" strings to an orchestral sound I may already have.  And to having a more "organ-like" experience when I play theatre-organ style or classical-organ music.

I'm also looking forward to being able to have a left-hand sound to play when I have "Ensemble" voices going (Tyros5 Ensemble voices "steal" all 4 parts: L, R1, R2, R3) since I like having a sound on Left so I can add my own nuances with my left hand as I play.  Playing with Ensembles, while using Styles, felt 'weird' to me since my Left hand sound was "nothing" (no sound).

Anyway, it'll be interesting to (eventually) share ideas and such with other V-Console owners ...
Jim

[Marcus]

Well, I took the "plunge" and bought a V-Console.  It just arrived today, so I literally have not tried it yet.  I'm sure I'll be doing a lot of experimentation with it, and likely I'll start to create my own V-Console registrations ... I'm not even sure how I'm going to approach it at first ... will have to try the Registrations that come with it ("Showcase") and get some ideas, then learn how to set my own up.

It should be fun - I'm looking forward to being able to easily/quickly add additional layers to sounds, such as the ability to quickly add a "Glockenspiel" or Xylophone or Marimba on top of an existing registration, to add variety on a 2nd or 3rd verse of a song.  Or being able to layer in some light, "8va" strings to an orchestral sound I may already have.  And to having a more "organ-like" experience when I play theatre-organ style or classical-organ music.

I'm also looking forward to being able to have a left-hand sound to play when I have "Ensemble" voices going (Tyros5 Ensemble voices "steal" all 4 parts: L, R1, R2, R3) since I like having a sound on Left so I can add my own nuances with my left hand as I play.  Playing with Ensembles, while using Styles, felt 'weird' to me since my Left hand sound was "nothing" (no sound).

Anyway, it'll be interesting to (eventually) share ideas and such with other V-Console owners ...
Jim

Hi Jim
Definitely give us any feedback into your findings. For complex voice registrations and splits, V console could come in handy. I do find it interesting because I do use a twinset setup with midi pedals.

When I use "Ensemble", I use AI Full Keyboard fingering when playing along to a style. Any four notes on the keyboard (LH-RH) can control the style chording, plus a fifth ensemble voice automatically assigned to the midi bass pedals. In your case, you can edit and save your Ensemble voices with the option of Key Assign Type - 4 Voice Incremental2-from lowest. In other words, your lowest played note (LH) takes precedence over all your played notes, so that your LH playing is always active while playing along with styles while in Ensemble mode.

I typically will setup an edited Ensemble registration sound bank (or style OTS Ensemble voice saves) with the Ensemble Key Assign Type - 4 Voice Incremental2-from highest. Part 4 corresponds to the RH-3 voice. So a 4 part String Ensemble edit might have a Cello assigned to Part 4. So playing from highest to lowest note, my forth played note is the Cello voice, yet I can get automatically get a nice bass cello played by my midi bass pedals. While in Organ World, the assigned RH-3 organ voice automatically get translated to my midi bass pedals.

Everything in my Tyros 5 twinset, works out fine through registrations and OTS style saves. I think I can wait till the next Tyros/Genos model to see what Yamaha comes up with before perhaps considering the V-Console for myself.

Marcus 

[voodoo]

and all it gives is an easy access to sounds and features you allready own?
No new sounds
No sounds improvements
Just easy access at 1000 euro's

No, it does not give new sounds.

But it extends the number of parts (left, right1, right2, right3) from four to eight. So with V Concole you can split and layer up to eight sounds. This is a real new function. And by this, it can bring improvements to sounds.

Will I spent 1000€ for this? I don't think so. But it is a real clever idea for those who can use it.